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What Shariah Law Is All About

Seeded on Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:16 AM EDT
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The principles behind American secular law are similar to Shariah law - that we protect life, liberty and property, that we provide for the common welfare, that we maintain a certain amount of modesty. What Muslims want is to ensure that their secular laws are not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad.

In America, we have a Constitution that created a three-branch form of government - legislative, executive and judiciary. The role of the judiciary is to ensure that the other two branches comply with the Constitution. What Muslims want is a judiciary that ensures that the laws are not in conflict with the Quran and the Hadith.

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teufelhund

This article was written by Feisal Abdul Rauf, founder of the cordoba initiative:

In America, we have a Constitution that created a three-branch form of government - legislative, executive and judiciary. The role of the judiciary is to ensure that the other two branches comply with the Constitution. What Muslims want is a judiciary that ensures that the laws are not in conflict with the Quran and the Hadith.

Where there is a conflict, it is not with Shariah law itself but more often with the way the penal code is sometimes applied. Some aspects of this penal code and its laws pertaining to women flow out of the cultural context. The religious imperative is about justice and fairness. If you strive for justice and fairness in the penal code, then you are in keeping with moral imperative of the Shariah.

The principles behind American secular law are similar to Shariah law - that we protect life, liberty and property, that we provide for the common welfare, that we maintain a certain amount of modesty. What Muslims want is to ensure that their secular laws are not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad.

From the last paragraph:

Rather than fear Shariah law, we should understand what it actually is.

Yeah...don't be afraid. It's good for you...

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:20 AM EDT
teufelhund

In western terms, radicals are those that engage in terrorism; moderates don't. Hence the conclusion that moderates must be peaceful...

This article is from one of the so-called moderates, who wants to make sure that "secular laws are not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith", which they obviously are, despite his statements in the article where he equates shariah to the Declaration of Independence (dissimulation).

From the cordoba initiative website, under actions that ci undertaking:

Building a network of young Muslim leaders to lead the drive for change in future generations

http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/about-ci

Does that include making the Constitution "not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith"?

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:28 AM EDT
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rls8r

Why do you leave out the most important part of this article? Why do you mis-characterize the topic, and present it in a way that seems ominous and threatening to the U.S. when it's clearly not? This is the first article I recall seeing from you - and you've already destroyed your credibility.

Rather than reading something "From the last paragraph" that you've taken out of context to give the impression of something that is not in the original, let's read the entire last two paragraphs:

The two pieces of unfinished business in Muslim countries are to revise the penal code so that it is responsive to modern realities and to ensure that the balance between the three branches of government is not out of kilter.

Rather than fear Shariah law, we should understand what it actually is. Then we can encourage Muslim countries to make the changes that achieve the essence of fairness and justice that are at the root of Islam.

So - when the entire paragraphs are read we clearly see that Imam Feisal was speaking about 'unfinished business in Muslim countries' and that we should 'encourage Muslim countries to make the changes'.

Imam Feisal is clearly not speaking about any changes that he's like to see the U.S. make (unless, of course, you consider the U.S. to be a Muslim country). He wants Muslim countries to follow the example of our Declaration of Independence and Constitution - not the other way around, as you'd like us to believe. Shameful!

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Reply#2 - Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:15 AM EDT
teufelhund

Imam Feisal is clearly not speaking about any changes that he's like to see the U.S. make (unless, of course, you consider the U.S. to be a Muslim country).

No, he couldn't actually come out and say he'd like to have the Constitution replaced with shariah, could he?

So - when the entire paragraphs are read we clearly see that Imam Feisal was speaking about 'unfinished business in Muslim countries' and that we should 'encourage Muslim countries to make the changes'.

Clearly see? I guess we could clearly see that he want's those things if he had actually stated that clearly in the article, which he doesn't. What he does say clearly in the article is that muslims want laws that are not in conflict with the quran and hadith. The terms 'unfinished business in Muslim countries' and 'encourage Muslim countries to make the changes' never appear in the article, and I think only then if they did, that you could say that he is clearly saying that. So in effect, you didn't take anything out of context but actually created your own context out of thin air...

He wants Muslim countries to follow the example of our Declaration of Independence and Constitution - not the other way around, as you'd like us to believe.

He doesn't 'clearly' say this in the article either. If that's what he wanted, then he would have said that, wouldn't he? He does say twice in the article that muslims want laws that are not in conflict with the quran and hadith. Are you saying that the declaration of independence and constitution are compatible with the quran and hadith? By the way, the quran and hadith are what shariah law is derived from.

If he is speaking of changes in muslim countries and not the U.S., then why is this piece even to a U.S. audience? Why does he start the article with stonings, burkas, amutations and beheadings, and then starts the next paragraph with "But it is important that we understand what is meant by Shariah law." He doesn't deny that those things are a part of shariah law, but verbally sets those things aside and then goes on to compare shariah to the two most important documents in the U.S.

If he was speaking of changes in muslim countries, there are more than enough newspapers to address such an audience. It does not require a U.S. audience. If he was clearly speaking about what you think he is clearly speaking about, then he is targeting the wrong audience, and those things would clearly be stated in the article. If there are any changes in muslim countries that he wants, it is more shariah law. Again, he says twice that muslims want "laws are not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith" which means that in any case where there is a conflict with shariah and secular law, that shariah law takes precedence. Presently, this doesn't happen in all muslim countries.

This article is a dissimulation piece to americans about shariah law. Otherwise, there is no need to put it in an american newspaper. There would also be no need to equate shariah to the Constitution and the Declaration, and then tell us that we don't need to fear it...

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#2.1 - Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:53 AM EDT
kpr37

No, he couldn't actually come out and say he'd like to have the Constitution replaced with shariah, could he?

yes

SHARIA OR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM?
This brand of Islam is designed to create parallel Muslim enclaves, resistant to America’s freedom culture and to Western civilization, just as it created the liberty-killing “no-go zones” now sprouting up throughout Europe. It is designed to snuff out religious freedom, pressuring American Muslims to adopt the Islamists’ social mores, financial practices, and anti-Western outlook. And the authoritarian device it uses to establish and control these enclaves is sharia, Islam’s legal and political framework, which aspires to control of all aspects of life — not just spiritual life, but all of life.

here is the relevant part

It is the Brotherhood’s objective to thread sharia through American law and culture. This mission drives imam Feisal Rauf’s work, as documented by the Center for Security Policy’s Christine Brim in an eye-popping report at Andrew Breitbart’s Big Peace website.

Since 2006, Rauf has been developing the “Sharia Index Project.” His partners in this venture include longtime Muslim Brotherhood honcho Jamal Barzinji, a top official at the International Institute of Islamic Thought. The IIIT, a major backer of the convicted terrorist Sami al-Arian, is one of the Brotherhood satellites that republished Rauf’s book, What’s Right with Islam Is What’s Right with America, the book that was released in Malaysia under the more telling title, A Call to Prayer from the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Dawa in the Heart of America Post-9/11. (The other Brotherhood organization behind the republication of Rauf’s book was the aforementioned ISNA.) As Ms. Brim explains, the purpose of Rauf’s Sharia Index Project is “to benchmark” every country’s compliance with sharia, with an eye toward pressuring them to adopt and enforce more.

Which Islam Will Prevail in America?

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#2.2 - Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:09 AM EDT
kpr37

I found this interesting

WEBTODAY EXCLUSIVE (August 24, 2010)-- QUESTION: Who really was speaking on that historic day of June 4th 2009 in Cairo, Egypt? President Obama or the Imam of the proposed Ground Zero Mosque, Feisal Abdul Rauf?

ANSWER: Feisal Abdul Rauf! Link to audio of Rauf's admission

The Shoebat Foundation obtained this shocking audio recording of Rauf's own voice boasting in Arabic that Obama’s historic Cairo speech was provided by the Imam and the Cordova Initiative in what the Imam called “The Blue Print” which he said was the solution to the Islamic-American divide. Rauf claimed Chapter 6 of the Imam’s work engineered by the Cordova Initiative was the construct for the entire speech:

“This is an example of the impact of our work in a positive way to be used by the President.”

"The blue print," Rauf elaborated, included everything from U.S. policy to Jewish and Christian relations with Muslims.

For an Imam in New York to be involved in the orchestrating U.S. foreign policy is quite the claim. In the recording dated February 5th, 2010 Rauf boasted that:

“We have to look at it [as] how to engineer solutions. At the Cordova Initiative we think of ourselves as an engineering shop. Yes. We have an analytical approach. Our work has been that. IN THE BOOK CHAPTER 6, I WROTE ABOUT THIS BLUE PRINT as to WHAT HAS TO BE DONE BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT, what has to be done by the Jewish community, what has to be done by the Christian community, what has to be done by the Muslim community, what has to be done by educators, what has to be done by the media. For example, IN MY BOOK IN THE ARABIC VERSION page 293, what did I write? WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT THE UNITED STATES NEEDS TO DO. IF YOU EXAMINE THIS CHAPTER YOU WILL FIND THAT THE OBAMA SPEECH IN CAIRO WAS ALL TAKEN FROM THIS SECTION [Section 6]. When you do a job that is very complicated. You ask yourself, what have you accomplished. All these problems can be solved but requires the will to solve it. It requires political will, resources and the right focus. The signs of how to go to the moon was known 200 years ago, but the political will and financial will for it happened during 1960-1961. When John Kennedy said that we will send an American to the moon before the end of the 60’s, he established the financial resources and the political will.”

The story was even collaborated in a written article in an interview with Hani Al-Waziri of Egypt. The clue was revealed while Rauf was answering a question regarding President Barack Obama’s speech in which Rauf replied:

“The speech was wonderful and wise in his choice of words, the Prime Minister of Malaysia after the speech disclosed to me that it is now easy for any president of a Muslim country to establish good relations with America, and I AM NOT GOING TO HIDE FROM YOU THAT ONE OF THOSE WHO PARTICIPATED IN WRITING THE SPEECH, TRANSFERRED ENTIRE PARTS OF MY BOOK ‘A NEW VISION FOR MUSLIMS AND THE WEST’, which he referred to U.S. interests being compatible with top interests of the Muslim world”.

Rauf did not disclose the name of this speechwriter that included Rauf’s work in president Obama’s historic address to the Muslim world. http://888webtoday.com/articles/viewnews.cgi?id=EklkyAFAFVxHELEDIJ

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#2.3 - Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:14 AM EDT
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teufelhundDeleted
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I think the most interesting part of this story was in the comments from a guy calling himsel Al Sharif.

Muslims believe that the Koran and Hadith, based on words spoken over 1300 years ago, are perfect and nothing more need be said. Yet, the majority of the moral issues in the world today are not even mentioned in these writings. Why does Allah not comment on the morality of developing nuclear weapons, cloning, global warming? Can you make the case that he didn’t weigh in on these topics because these issues didn’t exist at the time? Not when you maintain that Allah is omniscient.
If Muslims (along with fundamentalist Christians and Jews) could just accept their book’s writings for what they are – an opinion about how people should live during a very different time in the very distant past, progress could be made.
Not only do Muhammad’s words not cover many current moral dilemmas, but much of what is covered is terribly outdated. To site one obvious example, no country in the world today openly supports slavery, yet Muhammad not only supported the keeping and capturing of slaves, he owned slaves himself. Some of our (U.S.) country’s forefathers also believed in the institution. However, there is an important difference. Our and other democracies were able to rewrite the laws once the immorality of slavery was recognized. Islam, on the other hand, is stuck trying to explain why Muhammad, the epitome of perfection in man, not only neglected to condemn the practice, but in fact, practiced it.
Al Sharif

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Reply#4 - Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:00 AM EDT
David-1830107

You want Sharia law take you arse back to caveman land Period.

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:36 PM EDT
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